Warning about the ATS-V and GM Customer Service

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Hi,

I apologize for this being my first post. Honestly, I hate that i am making it. A little history:

As a car enthusiast who hung up my lust for performance cars for many years, I was completely smitten with the 2014 ATS Premium I picked up that year. Obviously not with the performance as it had a 2.0T.. but more with the quality of the car overall, especially the excellent chassis.

When the ATS-V was announced, I knew I had to have one. I waited patiently for my lease to end and for the time to be right to get one of my own. The dealership was and has been excellent the whole way through, and let me borrow one for a week while I waited on mine to arrive.

You can imagine how excited I was when I got the call to come pick it up. After the paperwork was done, I got in to drive away, to find the seat buzzing incessantly and the parking sensor alerting me that I was about to run into something. Also, the HUD was crooked, angled down and to the right about 30 degrees.

Ok, whatever... turn the parking sensors off until I can drop it back off. Turns out a bracket was installed upside down from the factory, and they needed to order a new part, along with a new HUD as apparently the original couldn't be adjusted. So, the car sat at the dealership for a week and I drove a service loaner around until it was ready... I was ok at this point, maybe a touch annoyed, but things happen and I wasn't going to let this ruin my experience.

When I pick it up, I notice the HUD is still crooked. Ugh. Whatever. This concern quickly disappeared when I rolled the windows down and took off from a light at normal, low throttle (about 15-20%) like you will most of the time.

I noticed this chattering/rattling sound between 1900-2200rpm, one that went away once past 2200rpm or with more or less throttle. And let me tell you, it was loud- it really reverberated in tunnels or if there was something to reflect off of. Not the sound you want to hear from a $70K+ automobile.

So I take it back in, they hear it and decide to start the process of diagnosing and fixing the issue. The issue stumps everyone at the dealership, so they call in a regional engineer to look at the car. Over a 3 WEEK process, the regional engineer decides it is the wastegate on the driver side and the entire driver side turbo assembly needs to be replaced. Mind you, I paid a substantial monthly payment during this time... while driving around in a mid-grade ATS service loaner.

After 3 weeks I get the call from the service manager to tell me that the replacement did not resolve the issue. Again, this was after spending roughly the first 4 weeks of my month-long ownership of the car in a service loaner. So, I was exasperated. I then asked if I could just get another car, and they obliged immediately. I feel I need to reiterate how great the dealership has been on this.

I was put in touch with a GM team that handles these issues, where I went through the various hiccups with the car. I also informed them that I would like a refund of my first month's payment as the better part of $800 is a little much to drive a mid-grade ATS around. They agreed and started the process.

Simultaneously, I was put in touch with a buyback agent from GM who would handle what they called a "repurchase" of my vehicle and a swap into a new one. I spoke with her about all my issues, the refund I had requested for my first month's payment, etc. I was given all indications that this would all be worked out and I would be accommodated in the interest of customer experience.

I submitted my build for the new car and started to wait. They gave me back my original ATS-V to drive until the new car arrived. The rattle/chatter seemed to get louder with time... I got to about 2100 miles on that car.

So, the new car arrived last Friday. The HUD is also crooked, again angled down and to the right about 30 degrees. Worse than that, this car has THE SAME RATTLE/CHATTER at the same throttle position and rpm. Yep.

I went back to the dealer last night, and we drove one off the lot to see if it made the same sound. I chose a manual car (mine is auto) to see if it may be transmission related. This car also made the same sound at the same rpm. The sales mgr was flabbergasted.

Now, here's the thing- this does not affect performance. I can't tell if it affects reliability as I haven't owned the car long enough to make that judgement. What it does affect is the perception of quality. I cannot imagine this sound is intended or would be deemed acceptable for a car that is trying to compete with BMW and Mercedes in this segment.

But, despite all this, I was really willing to look past it all as I love the car so much. Perhaps that was a mistake. Actually, it was a mistake.

I responded to a confirmation email that the GM team who was handling my reimbursement for one month, asking if the check had been sent out as they said it would take 4-8 weeks. Today I received a call from that team, and that person informed me that my reimbursement had been rejected, because the team that handled the repurchase had "handled this in the repurchase agreement", and that one of the managers had decided that a reimbursement was not necessary.

I did not receive any discounts to cover that monthly payment on my new vehicle.

I was not included in any discussions with that team around my reimbursement, and had all indications from the other team that it would be honored.

The dealership also expected this to be honored.

THIS was the proverbial straw. $783. The giant corporate entity GM and it's financing wing decided that $783, despite the fact that I spent the better part of my first month in a service loaner, was not something they needed to refund. Forget all the hassle I have been through, and the patience I have shown as my elation became annoyance and now disappointment... forget the fact that I have remained an advocate of Cadillac and the ATS-V through this entire experience... forget the fact that I am a loyal Cadillac customer. $783 is apparently just a little too much for these folks.

I can hardly imagine this is the experience Cadillac envisioned for an ATS-V owner. I wonder how they expect me to remain loyal to the brand after this. Honestly, I've been cool about this. I know it's a first year model. I know things happen. I know that ultimately, humans are assembling these products and mistakes happen. I was cool with all of that! But getting the news that I am not being refunded for a product I was unable to use due to no fault of my own is just bad form, and I think it's something that potential buyers should be aware of.

I emailed them and expressed my disappointment. I told them that I was going to broadcast my experience to the community so that others would be aware, and hopefully come forward if they are having the same issue. I told them that had I known things would have worked out this way, I would have gotten an M4 (bleh).

Again, I hate that this is my first post. I don't want to be a bummer. I also wonder if this is just part of the ATS-V, and I went through all this for nada. I just don't see how this sound can be acceptable. And I just don't see how GM expects me to pay almost $800 to drive a service loaner for a month.

Sorry for the book. I hope someone finds it useful.

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Also, if anyone else has had this rattle/chatter issue, please add your knowledge to this thread!
 
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I'm having the same issue with mine, they're saying it's normal for this noise to happen. I have 2100 miles on my car and the noise gets louder and louder
this is so frustrating..
 
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I'm having the same issue with mine, they're saying it's normal for this noise to happen. I have 2100 miles on my car and the noise gets louder and louder
this is so frustrating..
yep. the TSB basically says "this is what the wastegate sounds like, tough titty".

complain to their customer service team.

this happened with the 2nd Gen CTS-Vs... the supercharger assembly had some noisy components at first. and, at first, GM responded the same way. eventually enough people complained and they used different parts. i am not sure if they issued a recall, but i assume they did.

join all the forums, post your experience. their customer service teams monitor the forums. we need to make noise until this is sorted out.
 
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quick update- the customer service team contacted me and they have decided to issue my refund. this goes a long way for me towards customer service.
 

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quick update- the customer service team contacted me and they have decided to issue my refund. this goes a long way for me towards customer service.
I had a long winded response composed and then I saw your updated post. Thank goodness they've decided to follow through with the refund, but putting the customer through all this stress is really unneccessary. GM really needs to step up with their Customer Service if they want to compete with the likes of MB, BMW and Audi.
 
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I had a long winded response composed and then I saw your updated post. Thank goodness they've decided to follow through with the refund, but putting the customer through all this stress is really unneccessary. GM really needs to step up with their Customer Service if they want to compete with the likes of MB, BMW and Audi.
thanks man, agree 110%. they also need to produce a product that doesn't make annoying noises. they have a history of doing this, and responding just like they have to the wastegate noise with the new car. a LOT of ATS-Vs are plagued with this damn rattle/chatter and Cadillac can forget competing with the manufacturers you mentioned as long as things like this persist.
 

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Hey! I felt sorry for all your trouble. Cadillac should step up and take care their treasure clients. Frankly, Cadillac should reimburse your $800.00 plus provide incentive to repurchased your ATSV. I recalled that I have issued with Porsche and they gave me a bonus of $5000.00 to repurchased another new car. Cadillac should do the same and keep your happy client.

I didn't have rattle noise but ATS V transmission fluid leak after 3 days possession. It was human error. The installer felt asleep and didn't connect rear oil cool hose correctly. What a shame? Poor quality control and workmanship. I love my ATS-V but poor workmanship make me rethink my loyalty.
 

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Hey! I felt sorry for all your trouble. Cadillac should step up and take care their treasure clients. Frankly, Cadillac should reimburse your $800.00 plus provide incentive to repurchased your ATSV. I recalled that I have issued with Porsche and they gave me a bonus of $5000.00 to repurchased another new car. Cadillac should do the same and keep your happy client.

I didn't have rattle noise but ATS V transmission fluid leak after 3 days possession. It was human error. The installer felt asleep and didn't connect rear oil cool hose correctly. What a shame? Poor quality control and workmanship. I love my ATS-V but poor workmanship make me rethink my loyalty.
 
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Hey! I felt sorry for all your trouble. Cadillac should step up and take care their treasure clients. Frankly, Cadillac should reimburse your $800.00 plus provide incentive to repurchased your ATSV. I recalled that I have issued with Porsche and they gave me a bonus of $5000.00 to repurchased another new car. Cadillac should do the same and keep your happy client.

I didn't have rattle noise but ATS V transmission fluid leak after 3 days possession. It was human error. The installer felt asleep and didn't connect rear oil cool hose correctly. What a shame? Poor quality control and workmanship. I love my ATS-V but poor workmanship make me rethink my loyalty.
Thanks Pyramid. I guess it is what it is. I also agree that QC is lacking. It's a big weak point for an otherwise fantastic product. Like I said before, I don't see how you compete with Mercedes, Audi, BMW on performance alone. At some point, you have to offer the same quality, especially at this price point.
 

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So far, 1 month into ATS-V ownership the car has been great, except for the Cue system. My 2016 V is missing the car play and android auto icons and the touch screen works half the time. The dealer took three days to replace the screen twice, as the first replacement did not work. Well, 2 mile from the dealership it went out again. They have parts on order to update the system to include the missing features but those parts are on back order for 2 months. Cadillac offered me 2 years OnStar for the trouble, so we'll see how it goes.
Back in 2012 I had a VW that had a lot of serious mechanical issues. VW always stood behind the car, after 48 months, they had refunded me 8 payments. They also gave me a lifetime warranty on the car, not transferable, so as long as I owned it. When it came time to turn the VW leased car in (A 2008 R32) they offered me a $500 credit toward another VW. I thought about it but declined at the time. Well last week I needed another small hatchback to run around in so I used my $500 voucher for a 2017 GTI. Hopefully this one has few issues.
Jon
 

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So far, 1 month into ATS-V ownership the car has been great, except for the Cue system. My 2016 V is missing the car play and android auto icons and the touch screen works half the time. The dealer took three days to replace the screen twice, as the first replacement did not work. Well, 2 mile from the dealership it went out again. They have parts on order to update the system to include the missing features but those parts are on back order for 2 months. Cadillac offered me 2 years OnStar for the trouble, so we'll see how it goes.
Back in 2012 I had a VW that had a lot of serious mechanical issues. VW always stood behind the car, after 48 months, they had refunded me 8 payments. They also gave me a lifetime warranty on the car, not transferable, so as long as I owned it. When it came time to turn the VW leased car in (A 2008 R32) they offered me a $500 credit toward another VW. I thought about it but declined at the time. Well last week I needed another small hatchback to run around in so I used my $500 voucher for a 2017 GTI. Hopefully this one has few issues.
Jon
 

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